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Pat Monaghan
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« on: September 17, 2009, 11:50:49 AM »

Greetings all!
I am (among other things) the plant photographer for a manufacturing company. I have been tasked with finding a DAM software solution for our company.
We would like to have our images availabe for viewing and searching on an internal drive/web site. I would be the only one uploading and cataloging. Our other users would only need to be able to view/browse and search. The ability to search by keywords is essential. We are a mostly Windows shop, no Mac, a few Linux servers. For most of our users, something like Picasa would be good enough, but I have heard Picasa doesn't play well over a network.
I'll open it up for suggestions, I'd like to have 3 or 4 to research before making my recommendation.
Thanks, Pat
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« Reply #1 on: September 17, 2009, 04:19:04 PM »

Hi Pat,

I suggest IDimager:

http://www.idimager.com/

Take a look at what Dan Altick said about IDimager in this thread:

http://thedambook.com/smf/index.php?topic=4202.0

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« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2009, 04:42:15 PM »

Pat,
You may want two tools - one to manage the entire collection, and one to be available over the web.  The one on the web might even be a service like PhotoShelter.
Hw many images in the collection, and how many do you want to make accessible? How many people need access?
Peter
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« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2009, 06:29:11 AM »

Peter,
Thanks for answering. I picked up The DAM Book this week, I'm sure it will be of great help.
As to your questions, currently the collection is small (maybe 1000 images) but I want to get it under control before it grows much more. I need only myself to have full access (upload, edit, etc) the others would only need to view and search. We would like all our office & technical people to have view access, currently 80-90 persons. Once they found an image they need, they would contact me for a copy or print. Many of the images are on film (medium format, I'm still old school), but I have the film scanned and will put the scans in the collection, and will pull the negative if the desired use calls for it.
If access for this amount of persons is too cumbersome, I would need to let at least to let 6-8 persons have access, but our company culture is to let everyone access everything (so nothing can get done Smiley).
We run a windows network (some Linux servers, no MAC), and many of our users are on thin client terminals.
Thanks for any advice. Pat
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« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2009, 02:40:14 AM »

I have a similar problem, about 5000-10000 photos to share between 3/4 internal employees who will manage the archive and an unspecified number (but not more than 30) external user who will just fetch photos.

I basically need a organize-search-fetch system. I think a web-based system will be the best, because i need the external user to access the DB from anywhere without installing anything on their PC's.

The only extra requirement is to assign permission at least on photo groups level, i need the external user to access just the part of the archive i want they to see.

I'm trying imageFolio ( http://imagefolio.com/ ), seems it covers basically all my needs, does someone use it?
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« Reply #5 on: September 25, 2009, 03:46:48 AM »

Stefano

Those user permissions make me think Extensis Portfolio would be most suitable for you.

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« Reply #6 on: September 25, 2009, 03:09:27 PM »

Stefano,
PhotoShelter may be a good fit for your needs. 

Pat,
One hard part about your issue is that you have a training issue when you get to that many people. Some kind of web-based search engine is what you probably need. Will people need access to all 1000 images, or is there a smaller group that will be most useful?  Do they need to be able to download?  And does this download need to be password protected?
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« Reply #7 on: September 28, 2009, 01:29:06 AM »

@johnbeardy, thanks i'll give it a try

@peterkrogh, i think my company will prefer an in-house solution. We have an it department who can take care of server administration.
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« Reply #8 on: September 28, 2009, 06:49:20 AM »

Peter, thanks for the reply. In amswer to your questions, yes everyone will need access to all images. No they will not need to download, they would request the file or print from me, that allows me some control over the use of the images. I wouldn't want someone trying to print a 16x20 from a thumbnail and then sending it to one of our customers. Password protection would not be needed if I am running from an internal web server.

I too have been looking at ImageFolio, thier advaned search feature looks interesting.

I'm still chewing through The DAM Book, I'm going to try and get this headed down the right path the first time.

Stefano, let me know what you think of ImageFolio.

Thanks to all, and keep the suggestions comming.
Pat
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« Reply #9 on: September 29, 2009, 12:53:27 AM »

Stefano, let me know what you think of ImageFolio.

Software seems ok, but i'm having some trouble with the assistance.

The demo site (pro version) is offline, the forum is also offline, i've wrote them a mail few days ago with no response.
This doesn't look good...
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« Reply #10 on: September 29, 2009, 06:21:42 AM »

Stefano, thanks for the reply. I thought maybe it was a firewall issue that was keeping me from the demo. You're right, it doesn't look good, "swine flu" maybe? Huh I'll send them a note as well and see what happens.

Pat
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« Reply #11 on: October 05, 2009, 04:17:55 AM »

Yes I am looking at this Image Folio
I cant download the program either
I found some people shifting from Portfolio to Picasa
http://www.highonweb.com/?p=334
Razuna is also interesting
http://www.adamsoftware.net/
http://imagefolio.com/ 
http://www.ibase.com/
http://www.extensis.com/en/products/portfolioserver9/netpublish.jsp
http://www.razuna.org/ 
these are interesting
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« Reply #12 on: October 06, 2009, 06:19:03 AM »

Russell,
Thanks for those links.

http://www.highonweb.com/?p=334

This Picassa write-up is interesting. It sounds like they are making really good use of that as a tool. It does seem like it could be a bit of a mess, since everyone can add their own keywords, and that could become confusing. I also wonder if there is a way to preserve the database so that it does not need a 36-hour regeneration, and that any work saved internal to your own database could be preserved.
I also wonder about off-line media capability.

http://www.adamsoftware.net/
A quick look at this software did not seem to indicate something that would be good for an image archive.  Anybody know different?

http://imagefolio.com/ 
This one looks REALLY interesting. The Demo buttons took me in endless loops trying to find where "What Users See" and "Backend Administration", but I did manage to find this implementation:
http://www.bushphoto.com/bp/cgi-bin/ImageFolio42/imageFolio.cgi?advsearch=1

It looks like really capable software that can extract and use metadata - I'll need to follow up on this. If anyone is using this, perhaps a separate thread?

http://www.ibase.com/
Can't tell exactly what ibase can do without scheduling a guided tour. Lots of words on the website, but I was not able to quickly find some kind of demonstration of how the software works.

http://www.extensis.com/en/products/portfolioserver9/netpublish.jsp
Nice functionality in Extensis.

http://www.razuna.org/
As I said, this one looks like it is not fully image capable yet (no soft rotation!), but might be promising.
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« Reply #13 on: October 06, 2009, 02:58:05 PM »

Peter - curious what you don't like about ADAM... it must be said, it's in an entirely different class than the rest of the applications mentioned, so hard to compare directly - ADAM is a very powerful DAM platform, not something an individual or even single department would spring for, but for enterprise applications it's an excellent product - very powerful workflow automation (draw a Visio diagram of your workflow, using their objects, and you're done!), but again it's hardly comparable to the rest - it's in the Artesia, NorthPlains, MediaBeacon league. Expect products like this to require significant customization, many dollars, and lots of support, but to also be far more capable when you're looking to manage millions of assets across and large organization with thousands of users, multiple locations, complex metadata and security models, and many different front-ends and integration with desktop and backend tools.

Speaking of integration, ADAM does have some nice connection points to Adobe and Microsoft products - you can, for instance, expose parts of your repository through VersionCue so Photoshop/InDesign/etc users get direct access to assets, with version control, workflow, and metadata controls, right from their favorite desktop app. It also integrates well with SharePoint and many other enterprisey applications.

If I were in a small department I certainly wouldn't be looking at ADAM - but for large-scale DAM it's a great product. I've also had hands-on deployment experience with Artesia and NorthPlains, and while the particulars are different, much of the same - scalability, cost, market - applies to them as well.

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« Reply #14 on: October 06, 2009, 03:12:37 PM »

Roger,
It was a quick assessment - thanks for your input. Are you familiar enough with it to know if it is "image-smart"? Does it natively work with the kind of IPTC/XMP data that most images are likely to arrive with?  Can it create a derivative file that is properly color managed?

I ask because I've been involved with a consulting project recently with a large government agency. They already have an Oracle solution installed in the agency, and were thinking of opening it up to the photo department. The cost to get the system to harvest IPTC data from DNG files, make web galleries, and produce derivative JPEGs was quoted in the $100,000 range. This is *after* the system is already up and running agency-wide.

It's one thing to pay for an enterprise installation, quite another to pay to make it actually do common functions. "Oh, you want it to work with .doc and PDF files? That will be an extra $50,000."
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