Using II.

[Niall Horley]

Hi,


I am looking to get my photographs organised and I have read Peters book and will follow the principles he  discusses there. I am looking at using image ingester to download my pictures. I have a few questions regarding the use of image ingester.

Does image ingester support the buckets for the archive and working directories?

Currently I have a lot of my photo's on my hard drive, from what I can see II will move these files to my new directory structure. Am I corect.

I also assume that the thm sidecar files will be moved along with the crw files.

In the past I used rawshooter, which also has sidecar files can I get II to move these files or will this be a manual job?

Currently when I download files i place my raw files in a raw directory and my jpgs (original  files) in another directory at the same level, will II do this?

Thanks

Niall

[Marc Rochkind]

Niall--

II can move existing photos to a new folder structure. It moves everything it sees: photos, sidecars, Word documents, whatever. The Pro version has the ability to select files to be moved by extension.

II doesn't support buckets directly, since it doesn't participate as working files are created. You can limit how many images are in a folder during ingestion in various ways, but then II is out of the picture. If you're re-ingesting, depending on how you set things up, you can use the partition feature to limit the number of images in a folder if you're using number-range folders, but it only goes by number of images--it doesn't know anything about file sizes.

On ingestion, I don't think it's possible to send different kinds of files to different folders, since there's no macro that gets you the file extension. (There ought to be--I'll add this to my list of suggested features.) With IIP you could ingest twice, with different filters, but that's probably too awkward.

I hope the above answered all of your questions... if not, post again and I'll answer some more...

--Marc

--Marc

[Niall Horley]

Thanks for your reply, I assume that when II moves the files it will also rename them, I will have to have a try and see what happens when I select a directory of files to move. I need to make sure I keep the rawshooter sidecar file as I am going to move to lightroom for my raw converter and it is supposed to use these files.

Hopefully I will get time over the weekend to try II.

It would be nice to control where different file types go.  But once I have reorganised my files its not such a problem as I shoot raw 99% of the time.

I assume then to get II involved in the buckets for the initial photo's it is a manual job, once the directory hits the size I just need to change the path the files are downloaded to.

Thanks again

Niall

[Marc Rochkind]

Niall--

Just to clarify:

If you use II to copy (re-ingest) and rename a file, II is smart enough to rename its associated XMP file the same way, so sidecars stay with their files. It doesn't know anything about sidecars that don't end in XMP.

--Marc

[Niall Horley]

does it know about the crw, thm relationship and as such would it rename the thm files?

Niall

[Niall Horley]

I have just had a look at what happens and its quite interesting, my initial file structure was

2007\01\070121\Raw\CRW_4501.CRW
2007\01\070121\Raw\CRW_4501.THM
2007\01\070121\Raw\.RWSetings\CRW_4501.CRW.rws

In My backup directory I end up with
2007\01\2007-01-21\CRW_4501.CRW
2007\01\2007-01-21\CRW_4501.THM
2007\01\2007-01-21\CRW_4501_00001.CRW
2007\01\2007-01-21\CRW_4501_00001.THM

In My working directory I end up with
2007\01\2007-01-21\CRW_4501_00001.CRW
2007\01\2007-01-21\CRW_4501_00001.THM

The rws files end in in backup directories depending upon the date they were created but with there name changed to
NJH_070124_.CRW_00001.rws

By ignoring rws files the ingestion is more what I expected (I loose the 00001 files) except now I would need a manual job to move the rws files and also to rename them. I am not sure how I am going to move and rename the files and keep all the files intact.

Niall

[Marc Rochkind]

Niall--

For your example, what were the file and folder macro strings?

--Marc

[Niall Horley]

I will find them out when I get home, tonight I am at work tonight.


I assume from your question I will be able to sort the names out, and move the files in 2 goes, the first to move the crw, thm files, then a subsequent ingest to move the rws files.

Niall

[Marc Rochkind]

Niall--

I don't have a suggestion yet... I'm still trying to understand your example. When I see the file and folder strings, I will be able to put the pieces together.

--Marc

[Niall Horley]

No problem, I am still at work  , when I get home I will get the details.

Niall

[Niall Horley]

To move the rws sidecar files I used the following macro to move them into the correct directory

{@datetime,1,4}/{@datetime,5,2}/{@datetime,1,4}-{@datetime,5,2}-{@datetime,7,2}/.RWSettings

For all the rest I used standard patterns.

On the initial ingest I excluded rws files and removed the .RWSettings from the above (It was a standard then)
Then I added the string as above and selected only rws files.

Niall

[Marc Rochkind]

Niall--

I'm a little confused... sorry if you explained this earlier and I missed it.

The distribution of files into folders that you posted earlier was the result of two separate ingestions? I didn't realize that, and couldn't understand why the rws files were treated differently.

I've now lost track of your question... can you ask it again?

--Marc

[Niall Horley]

I have just run the ingestion again here are the settings and what happened.

moving rws files

Folder Macro
{@datetime,1,4}/{@datetime,5,2}/{@datetime,1,4}-{@datetime,5,2}-{@datetime,7,2}/.RWSettings
Image Macro
{@prefix,1,-1,_}{@datetime,3,2}{@datetime,5,4}_{@filename,-4}

Input Directory

2007\01\070121\Raw\.RWSetings\CRW_4501.CRW.rws
2007\01\070121\Raw\.RWSetings\CRW_4502.CRW.rws


Renamed to
2007-01-24\.RWSettings\NJH_070124_.CRW.rws
2007-01-24\.RWSettings\NJH_070124_.CRW_00001.rws
2007-01-24\.RWSettings\NJH_070124_.CRW_00002.rws
2007-01-24\.RWSettings\NJH_070124_.CRW_00003.rws

Renamed to
2007-01-25\.RWSettings\NJH_070125_.CRW.rws
2007-01-25\.RWSettings\NJH_070125_.CRW_00001.rws
2007-01-25\.RWSettings\NJH_070125_.CRW_00002.rws

I am assuming I need to change the macro so that the number of the photo remains, which is causing the 00001 etc.
Secondly the date they are being given I assume is the date they were created?

These files are side car files for the crw files and they need to be the same. Is there any way I will be able to achieve this with ImageIngester. They are always in a directory which is correctly dated.

The CRW & THM files move correctly and are renamed according to the macro patterns.

For this to work for me I need to be able to move the rws files into a subdirectory below the crw files, and they need to have the same name.

Thanks

Niall

[Marc Rochkind]

OK, Niall, I think I understand the problem.

II doesn't understand the special significance of rws files, so they will stay with their image only if they end up in the same folder and if the renaming doesn't make their names different. The {@datetime} macro uses the modification date/time of the file, and it's certainly possible that these could be different for the rws and its image. Also, you can't use any file sequencing, for then the rws and its image would get different sequence numbers, since II thinks they are different files. In any event, a single ingestion can't put them into a subdirectory.

Scanning through this thread, I didn't see where you explained what the rws files are. Did they originate in the camera, or did they come from some image-processing app?

It may be the case that II simply can't do what you need it to do, since it doesn't treat the rws files appropriately. However, if the rws files originated in the camera, then this is something I need to fix ASAP. (But unless this camera is brand new, I think I would have heard something before if the rws files originated in the camera.)

--Marc

[Dawnne Gee]

rws files are from RawShooter.