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« on: December 06, 2005, 08:24:13 PM »

I have been using portfolio for several years and have found this program a bit clunky.  That said, I was looking into switching to iView and wanted to know if there is any benefit in doing so.  What is the biggest difference?

Also considering the following issues:

• Can I import my exisiting Portfolio 7 Catalog?  Or is it a complete start over?
• How does iView media work if you have an xServe?  Our studio has multiple photographers, so this is a huge problem for us.  FYI, it costs $4200 to get Portfolio Server.  WOW!
• Can you login for a remote location to access your catalog?

Thoughts/Comments are appreciated.

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« Reply #1 on: December 06, 2005, 09:23:17 PM »

I have been using portfolio for several years and have found this program a bit clunky.  That said, I was looking into switching to iView and wanted to know if there is any benefit in doing so.  What is the biggest difference?

In my view, better tools. Ask again after you have read the book.

Can I import my exisiting Portfolio 7 Catalog?  Or is it a complete start over?

Unfortunately, Portfolio does not give you an easy way out (this was one of the reasons that I did not ever start using it.)  I'm not sure that there is a good way out.  It's possible that they did not include this in Portfolio 8 because they thought there would be a rush to the door.

? How does iView media work if you have an xServe?  Our studio has multiple photographers, so this is a huge problem for us.  FYI, it costs $4200 to get Portfolio Server.  WOW!
? Can you login for a remote location to access your catalog?

The server configuration is irrelevant to iView.  (Read the chapter on storage media to see if you can come up with more economical storage).

You can take an iView Catalog with you on the road, but it will be a bit of a chore to keep the changes synchronized.

The question of a multi-user DAM solution is, unfortunately, one that cannot be easily answered at the present moment.  Hopefully there will some better answers soon.

Peter
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« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2005, 07:27:10 AM »

A little correction - since Portfolio 6 there's been a menu option - File > Export Field Values.

Welcome to the wonderful world of data migration.

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« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2005, 08:38:54 AM »

John,
Does that create a tabbed data export, or XML export?  As I understand it, Portfolio will not write the data back to the RAW files.
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« Reply #4 on: December 07, 2005, 08:49:07 AM »

Good ol' tabbed text. It amazes me, because Extensis have clearly got their head around XMP and there's all sorts of XML stuff behind the app. OTOH Portfolio's VB model is quite a bit slicker than iView's, and I've written my own VB XML/XSL exporter/transformer.

John

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« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2005, 09:48:40 AM »

...or two...
That's a deal.
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« Reply #6 on: March 21, 2006, 12:03:51 AM »

I've been testing both and I really like iView. There is a major problem right now in that iView does NOT reliably export and import metadata. There are numerous threads on their forums regarding this issue and I've been absolutely frustrated by it. I'm dying to dole out cash for this software as I think it is much more well integrated and user friendly than Portfolio. If I set keyword data, then export the data to the files, and then import the files to a new iView file, the data is lost. I'm very worried about putting all the effort into categorizing and then losing the work.

This software is the best of breed - I just hope they get this fixed.
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« Reply #7 on: April 05, 2006, 09:20:29 AM »

A little correction - since Portfolio 6 there's been a menu option - File > Export Field Values.

Actually, the text export has been there since at least v4 if not earlier - I think I remember using it when I first tried Portfolio v3. The export is tab-delimited, first row being the field vames. Individual values in multiple value fields are delimited with ASCII #29 (a database standard for this purpose - that few apart from FieMaker use <g>). Hard returns inside text blacks are marked with ASCII #11 - otherwise it's just text, or rather Unicode text since late in v6's life. If you've a copy of Notepad or TextEdit you can work on it without any further tools needed. For big text exports consdier using Excel and VBA (yes, even on Mac OS) to work over the data if it needs tweaking en route to the next tool (e.g. changing MV field delimiters, etc.).

The number of records exported is the number of currently selected records in the front gallery (window) and the export dialog allows you to select which fields you wish to export (default = all fields) and even the order in which they are exported within each record (in case the next app is inflexible in its import). So in about 5 mouse clicks you can export your entire catalogue (database) text content. If you want the thumbnails these can be got out as well by exporting all records to HTML pages and harvesting the thumbnails. The previews are, unlike some DAM apps, in an external folder already. How that's not "an easy way out" is beyond me!

The same text format can be used import data as well. I regularly use text import to bring in 000,000 record sets from legacy systems and am collaboratiing on one that will bring in 0,000,000s of legacy records in a major public collection. IOW, it's scalable.

There is arguably an issue with text vs XML as the format. Ask two people, get three answers. I find that what people think is best is based on what they know and/or the tool they use most (recently).  Tab-delimited and CSV text are much easier to work as even a novice can open Notepad or cut'n'paste VBA. XML is more flexible perhaps but requires more knowledge and tools the average user is less likely to posses. Personally, I'd like to see more stuff move to XML.

If you need resolve rumours about Portfolio's capabilities to actual fact, slide on over to www.portfoliofaq.com.

I think the main problem with DAM is that the standards are both evolving and poorly applied. Taking a particular DAM or Creation tool and assesing the DAM world from than standpoint is a sure road to confusion and disappointment. We need to take a broader view (which is what finds me in this forum this afternoon - broadening my perspective <g>)

Hope this helps,

Mark Anderson
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« Reply #8 on: April 05, 2006, 10:26:45 AM »

Mark,
Thanks for the information.  Nice comprehensive stuff on your PortfolioFAQ site.

I, too, would like to see more robust XML support in this field.
Peter
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