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akasocrates
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« on: November 26, 2006, 12:11:39 PM »

OK, because I personally have to work with something a fair bit before deciding if I like it or not, I got a copy of Aperture.  (I'm always enrolled in some evening photo class/workshops, so I got an edu discount.)  I came across a major "a ha", in trying to bring it to actual production. 

Presently, I essentially follow Peter's workflow.  Since, I don't of course do any editing in iView, I will do all my pre-work in my working files via Bridge/ACR/PSCS2, move them to my RAW/DRV archive and then catalog.  There really is no need for me to update/watch folders in iView because only the archive (and largely untouched) files are cataloged and they don't change much if at all.

Now with Lightroom and Aperture, and these new breed of Imager/DAM, it would make sense to bring your files in at the Working stage, do your organization, editing and then move them to the archive.  (Assuming of course, you want it to be your all-in-one solution.) 

Well, with Aperture you can import your folders by reference and these folders become Projects -- cool.  However, that's where it ends.  That is, there is no true linked access to your OS folder structure.  There are no update folders (or watch folders) because there is no real link to begin with.  Moreover, you cannot move or change OS folders from within Aperture.  So, if I bring in my images as Working Projects, I will eventually have to go the OS, move them to the archive, then go back to Aperture, delete the Working Projects and create new archive Projects then have Aperture re-link to the new location of the files (which it can do).  In fairness, it's early goings and I believe Aperture has a move location of the master images function...which I will explore.  But...it would really be much more intuitive if they just gave us access to our OS folder structure.
 
That said, I like iView's implementation much better.  You import files and the exact OS folder tree is represented in the app.  You can of course set up auto updates/watch etc.  It also give you the warm and fuzzies, seeing the actual location of your files, in spite of all the virtual organization.  (Bridge additionally, while not a catalog, allows you to work on the OS level folder structure.)  Too bad because for me at least, watch folders would only be useful for the Working folders which there is no need to import into iView.  So this feature is largely unused by me.

Alas, but there is some hope, in this thread, it seems all but confirmed that Shoots are out and Folders (OS level that is) are in.  Hopefully, you can manage the OS structure from Lightroom.
http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/webforums/forum/messageview.cfm?forumid=72&catid=589&threadid=1212171&enterthread=y


Question for the experts, how hard is it to have the app manage your OS folders, etc?  I would think for Apple it'd in fact be much easier because they own the end-to-end. (By the way, their RAW engine and options actually aren't too shabby.  In fact, they have some interesting implentations and features IMHO.)

Also for Peter, now that Lightroom is closer to the end game, do you have a draft Lightroom/iView workflow that you can possibly share?  Of if not can you at least talk through how you will handle download RAWs from card, import to Lightroom (of maybe the working files).  I'm trying to find a way to make this work in Aperture/Lightroom but haven't really gotten too close to an easy flow.

Thanks!


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« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2006, 03:55:54 PM »

Socrates,
At this point I can't describe a workflow, since the software isn't done yet. (yes, I'm getting tired of saying that).
I can say this much.
Folder view will show up to some extent in V1. If you were at PhotoPlus, you would have seen that.

I expect to keep my workflow largely the same, with LR replacing Bridge/ACR in two places. I expect to be building my DNG files in LR, and I expect that when I make Master Files, I'll send the images back through LR on their way to Photoshop, since it's a much better adjustment tool.

I have implemented the second part already.  I'm waiting for final DNG conversion functionality to be wired up in LR before I make the bulk of my DNG files in that application.

I'm hoping that within a few versions, it would be perfectly safe and fine to use LR for everything.  At that time, it also might be fine to de everything in iView as well.  Choice is good for the consumer, as long as everything is built on open standards.
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« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2006, 10:22:50 AM »

I missed PPE but caught up on the b5/v1 details via the thread I attached.  I really think moving from Shoots to Folders is a great move for LR.  Happy to hear about the other additions on the file management/DAM portion.  In b4.1, there's really nothing much to test as far as DAM is concerned with LR IMHO -- so this is exciting news.

Thanks for the comments on the workflow -- essentially what you had shared before I guess....again, largely because this is will in the end be v1 and still needs more features added.

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