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1  Software Discussions / Lightroom / Re: Anyone using ImageIngester with LR? on: February 04, 2010, 12:46:38 PM
Peter
I have read through the book's information, and after comparing ingestion to LR only vs. using II, I don't see a reason for continuing to use it. In LR 3 Import you can Convert to DNG, Render previews, Back up (granted it's to one drive and without re-naming), Re-name files, use Develop setting, and it has a full metadata compliment in it's template including keywords. I can download from a card and go right to both primary archive and backup archive external drives (if I really want to include the basic metadata in a backup, I could use Chronosync, Primary to Backup archive instead). What's not to like? Don't get me wrong. Before I started using LR, I always used II for the ingestion phase, but now I don't see the need for it.
Jonathan
2  Software Discussions / Lightroom / Re: Anyone using ImageIngester with LR? on: February 01, 2010, 01:14:21 PM
Ken
I finally got everything installed and organized here, and I am about to try this out. Could you be a little more specific as to how and why you use II before going into Light Room. For instance, I will be converting to DNG by checking the box to use the DNG converter. What size previews to you make if any, do you check a viewer if going to Light Room?
How have you verified the files? Before, I use to download with II and use Bridge to verify.
Using II instead of LR to accomplish similar actions, you then import the DNGs into LR by adding?
Thanks
Jonathan
3  Software Discussions / Lightroom / Re: Anyone using ImageIngester with LR? on: January 26, 2010, 09:56:25 AM
Ken
If you copy to your computer's drive, why do you use II? LR would now allow you to view in loupe and import as is. What is the advantage and use of II?
Thanks
Jonathan
4  Software Discussions / Lightroom / Anyone using ImageIngester with LR? on: January 25, 2010, 01:56:57 PM
Importing from a card into LR 3beta doesn't allow the use of loupe view to check focus etc. unless the files have been copied to the desktop or a drive. Is anyone using ImageIngester to download from a card, or do you just copy files to desktop before importing into LR? Or, any other suggestions.
Jonathan
5  DAM Stuff / Keywords and Controlled Vocabulary / Re: Keywording question for Peter K and John Beardsworth on: December 12, 2009, 02:05:49 PM
John
Thanks for getting back. I was trying out a hierarchy to see if it solved the problems of moving over to LR3 from EM and losing the people and event fields that were available using your panel, but I don't think I like that solution. Do you just add all people names and event titles into your flat keyword list?  I just made a new catalog and emptied all the keywords into one long flat list. It's not too bad, and your right, the filter at the top makes that work fine. Locations are taken care of with the filter panel, as I had entered all location info in EM and it came in fine. So, I may work with this for a while and see how it functions for me. What do you ordinarily do with the smart collection panel, can you give some examples that might help organize things here?
Thanks again
Jonathan
6  DAM Stuff / Keywords and Controlled Vocabulary / Keywording question for Peter K and John Beardsworth on: December 09, 2009, 09:16:09 PM

I placed this question in an other forum but didn't get any responses, so I thought I'd try here.

Since people and event entries in the ITPC fields (Expression Media 2)  don't appear in LR, I have added these two keywords preceded by a * to my keyword list and added all the sub-entries (set to export) to these two main headings (set to not export). I have also added one other main heading *location, which contains sub-entries of all my metadata locations (all set to not export-since this info is already in a field). This I've done just for expediency, since these three would be up top, in finding images belonging to a location without having to open the filter panel. All other keywords are flat listed. Do you think this arrangement is safe and does it sound reasonable, or do you think it could lead to problems. Or, would you suggest populating the keyword list with all of these entries as flat (this seems that it would certainly increase the list and make it very hard to use, and would lead to what John Beardsworth terms keyword list pollution). Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.

Jonathan
7  Software Discussions / Lightroom / Re: Migrating into/out of LR, Collections vs Keywords on: November 15, 2009, 08:23:26 PM
I've been wrestling with how to move over to LR from EM where I have all images keyworded but have kept Event and People separate as custom fields. Using JB's panel, I can view these fields in Bridge. Now, moving everything into Lightroom, I won't have these two custom fields (and that's fine, I have been convinced that the use of custom fields for important data as this is not the best practice for the future), so, I am considering using Hierarchical Keywords for these two types of date. This would guarantee that the data is written to the files, it keeps this data out of the flat keywords and it keeps me from using collections for this important data. Does this sound to you to be a reliable and solid solution, and do you have any further suggestions or alternatives?
Jonathan
8  Software Discussions / Lightroom / Re: Lightroom or Expression Media? on: November 14, 2009, 10:03:47 AM
John
Thanks. Now I understand the virtual copy use.  If one doesn't want to pollute their keywords as you put it, what you be the best way to handle People and Events in Light Room? When I check in PS under file info (powered by XMP), the IPTC fields mirror Lightroom and Bridge templates. I had installed your EM panel so that is displayed at the end and includes the Event, People etc. I have read conflicting views concerning utilizing fields that are not standard going and problems that this can lead to in the future. So, since it seems that since the Event and People fields are only usable in EM, is there a plug-in that is usable with Lightroom? Or, would it be better to forget about using these types of non-standard fields and find a good work around? Leaving out keywords, can you suggest what that might be that would be compatible with Light Room and PS? Or, must I pollute the keywords?
Thank  you
Jonathan
9  Software Discussions / Lightroom / Re: Lightroom or Expression Media? on: November 13, 2009, 07:26:43 PM
The image type problem won't affect me. Thanks you for the suggestion about using the filters to help segregate, it turns the one catalog into virtual catalogs, ie.
dng, derivatives etc. Can you please tell me what the virtual copies button does (I see it next to the Masters up top when I choose attributes.
Lastly, is there any way to utilize other fields, ie. Event, People etc. I see location (Place) is included in metadata.
Other than that, it seems that this might work out fine for me.
Thanks again
Jonathan
10  Software Discussions / Lightroom / Re: Lightroom or Expression Media? on: November 13, 2009, 11:03:20 AM
John
What are other types of files are you thinking of? I would be cataloging raw (dng), jpeg, pdf, psd and tifs. That's probably it for the file types.
I think I like the idea of using one catalague. How do you handle keeping the different types of files segregated as you would be if you were using multiple catalogues as in Expression Media, ie. dngs / derivatives / print versions?
Thanks again
Jonathan
11  Software Discussions / Lightroom / Lightroom or Expression Media? on: November 12, 2009, 05:34:18 PM
I just downloaded Lightroom 3 beta to try out. After looking around the interface and modules, I was wondering if there are any reasons that I would want to use Expression Media, which I have used, compared to Lightroom for cataloging. Right now I shoot raw and develop in ACR, then on the PS for work and output to print.
Thanks for any help you can give before I make up my mind which to go with.
Jonathan
12  Software Discussions / Media Pro & Expression Media / Re: Annotation problem -follow ups with Anita Oakley on the EM2 forum on: September 19, 2009, 12:22:04 PM
Anita Oakley:
I tested using Bridge CS4, and can reproduce the issue that you see. The problem may be ours, but might be Adobe's. We didn't write the info panel flash add-in, and I don't know where the add-in writes the event and people data. If they write it to a different location that we don't read, it makes sense that the event and people would not show up in Expression Media. The keywords and other annotations that we do import are core IPTC fields, and everyone should write to the same location for those.
On the other hand, the add-in definitely reads the location where Expression Media writes the event and people fields.
I've contacted someone who might be able to put me in touch with the guy who wrote the flash info panel, and I hope to be able to ask him.
Where did you get the info panel you have? Did you get the one from Apple's site, or the one John Beardsworth posted on his site for download?

Jonathan:
Anita,
I was not using Beardsworth's panel. It was the panel by Massimo Novi posted on Adobe Exchange. (http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/exchange/index.cfm?event=extensionDetail&loc=en_us&extid=1701061)
I switched to Beardsworth's panel (http://www.beardsworth.co.uk/iview.php?group=bridge)
and after some testing, I came up with some strange results that may shed some light on this effect. It seems that the People annotation is separate and distinct from the others, including the Event.
Now, after installing Beardsworth's panel, you can write an Event into the Bridge metadata panel which does show up in the File Info Expression Media panel and also comes into EM2.
When you try writing People in the Bridge metadata panel, it does not show either in File Info or EM2.
If you write both in EM2 and sync back, they both show in Bridge and File Info correctly. But, if you clear all  in EM2 and sync back, when you go back to Bridge you will have the sme problem with People.
Lastly, if you start out by writing both Event and People into the Bridge File Info panel, all is correctly entered in Bridge metadata panel and comes into EM2. But, this is not stable behavior, because if you delete both in File Info and then enter both again in Bridge metadata panel, they now randomly BOTH appear in the File Info panel. Which was the starting problem.
By the way, Beardsworth's panel seems to have cured the tif and psd problem. If Event and People are entered in Bridge File Info and appear in the metadata panel, they both now come into EM2 with both tif and psd.
Pretty funny, huh? What does it all mean?
Jonathan
13  Software Discussions / Media Pro & Expression Media / Annotations not importing with tifs and psds on: September 17, 2009, 10:53:23 AM
When importing tifs into EM2, Date, Keywords, Copyright, Place come into the catalog. Event, People do not.
If I import a psd of the same file, it comes in with Event, but not People.
Is there anyway to solve this and get all the fields to import so that I don't have to manually add them in EM2?
Thanks
Jonathan
14  Software Discussions / ImageIngester and ImageVerifier / Re: ImageIngester has stopped adding metadata on: August 07, 2009, 09:43:05 AM
Marc was correct. I found some syntax errors in newly made fields and as soon as I cleared them the ingestion worked correctely as before.
Thanks
Jonathan
15  Software Discussions / ImageIngester and ImageVerifier / Re: ImageIngester has stopped adding metadata on: August 06, 2009, 11:27:03 PM
Peter
Marc gave me some advice to closely check the syntax of the entered metadata. He said that any error would kick out the metadata. Let me do that before I send anything. I will let you know the results.
Thanks
Jonathan
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