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1  Software Discussions / Media Pro & Expression Media / Re: Future of Expression Media on: January 25, 2010, 04:49:44 PM
In the meantime, [Expression Media 2] remains the best cross-platform asset manager, and the work you do there can be exported back to the file, so you can take it with you to other applications if you choose.

Peter,

I agree that so far EM2 is the best digital asset manager, especially with my large 50,000+ image collection in one EM2 catalog. Does Lightroom 3 change this at all?
I keep hoping Adobe will come to the rescue and fill the void left by Microsoft's apparent rude abandonment of EM2. But so far I'm not hearing that Lightroom 3 is dramatically improved over LR2 in the industrial strength DAM category. Perhaps MS will surpise us with some wonderful new product; but I suspect they are looking for a buyer for EM2/iView and haven't closed the deal yet.
2  Software Discussions / Media Pro & Expression Media / Re: Future of Expression Media on: October 09, 2009, 05:25:48 PM
... for one, Mark Hamburg, as I just noticed today, is back with Adobe since this summer ...

I might be foggy on the timing, but I thought that Microsoft purchased iView shortly after Tim Grey joined Microsoft, as part of a publicized push to bring Microsoft up to speed in the digital imaging world. Tim left MS some time ago, and I always wondered what that indicated about Microsoft and it's commitment to digital imaging going forward.

Why, O why doesn't Adobe step up to the plate with DAM?? They seem the most logical company to do so: they've got the imaging expertise, and it seems that an industrial-strength DAM app (capable of managing tens of thousands of images with more facility than Lightroom) could integrate well into their line. I can't believe they're not heading in that direction ...

As a side note, I've long thought that what photography needs is a really reliable source of inside dirt! It's too bad the Drudge Report isn't in our realm. Not that I'm much of an admirer -- I'd just like it if someone with RELIABLE inside information was keeping us informed. Of course, there are thousands of rumors on the web -- and a couple of them are true -- and you'll never know which ones until after the fact.

We need some good, reliable insider info!
3  Software Discussions / Media Pro & Expression Media / Re: Future of Expression Media on: October 01, 2009, 03:13:17 PM
To me, an announcement of the release of EM 3 would be "good news," along with active solicitation of what we want in EM 4.

In this case, I think "no news is bad news." It says, "We're not attaching as much importance to this program as we are to others." Or, "We're having an internal debate about whether to dump this dog, and we'll get back to you ... someday."

It's just DAMN* annoying!

(* Digital Asset Management - Not)
4  Software Discussions / Media Pro & Expression Media / Re: Expression Media colors don't match in Photoshop? on: February 04, 2009, 01:05:06 PM
Microsoft just announced Service Pack 2 for EM2 that includes a fix for color management. According to MS, "People with high gamut monitors will especially notice that the colors in Expression Media match those in other color managed applications." I await with bated breath.

I posted a summary of the fixes in the DAM EM forum at Expressions Media Service Pack 2 announced.
5  Software Discussions / Media Pro & Expression Media / Expressions Media Service Pack 2 announced on: February 04, 2009, 12:59:10 PM
Microsoft just announced that Service Pack 2 for Expressions Media should be available by the end of March: http://blogs.msdn.com/xmediasupport/

Some of the problems to be fixed in this service pack are:

- Improved color management. People with high gamut monitors will especially notice that the colors in Expression Media match those in other color managed applications.
- Importing a number large images is very slow
- Original file paths are used instead of new file paths when copying items to a new catalog.
- Moving hierarchical keywords may incorrectly apply flat keywords to images
- HTML gallery links show question marks when viewed in Mozilla Firefox browsers
6  Software Discussions / Media Pro & Expression Media / Re: Expression Media colors don't match in Photoshop? on: February 03, 2009, 09:16:29 PM
Another observation: It appears the EM2 builds its PSD thumbnails with "awareness" of the default monitor profile. But when I change to a different profile, the thumbnails don't change in EM2 -- unless I rebuilt them. However, the Media View (which always takes a few seconds to generate) seems to correctly take into account the monitor profile when displaying the Media View.

So it's possible to have the PSD thumbnails (built under an old profile) not match the Media View -- until the thumbnails are rebuilt.

That's interesting: I would think the "proper" color management use of the monitor profile would be to adjust the display of thumbnails "in real time"/"on the fly." Instead, does EM2 build thumbnails that take into account the monitor profile at the time, but aren't truly "color managed" and that become "out of date" if the monitor profile changes??
7  Software Discussions / Media Pro & Expression Media / Re: Expression Media colors don't match in Photoshop? on: February 03, 2009, 09:06:00 PM
Good question! Here's what I *think* I'm using:

I've installed the following third-party codecs which should use/enable WIC for these file types:

- DNG codec from Ardfry (www.ardfry.com)
- Canon RAW codec (for CR2, etc.)

I'm sure EM2 is using the Ardfry DNG codec, because it's presence effects how EM2 renders DNG files.

There is no PSD codec that I'm aware of (Ardfry is working on one); so I assume EM2 uses Quicktime for PSD. I'm sure of it, in fact, because at one point I uninstalled Quicktime and couldn't view PSD files in EM2.

I'm not sure if/how WIC interacts with JPG and TIF. Do you?
8  Software Discussions / Media Pro & Expression Media / Re: Expression Media colors don't match in Photoshop? on: February 03, 2009, 04:16:15 PM
Richard -- I might be seeing something different, but still involving how EM2 handles color profiles, including the monitor profile.

I have made copies of the same image as CR2, DNG, PSD, TIF, JPG created by EM2, and JPG created by PSD. All of this is Windows Vista with EM2 SP1. For each file type, the thumbnail and media view in EM2 appear identical in color. When I view these images in Photoshop CS3 or Bridge, they also appear identical. The problem is that when viewed in EM2, the colors don't match among these. I don't expect the CR2 file to match in EM2, because it has beend adjusted in Adobe Camera Raw and EM2 doesn't see those adjustments. But I'd expect all the others to be consistent.

In EM2 Preferences, I've unchecked "Use built-in thumbnails (if available)," and checked "Color match" and "Use embedded preview (if available)" in Media Rendering.

The only image in EM2 that matches what I see in Photoshop and Bridge is the PSD file. Furthermore, I think that EM2 is correctly applying the monitor profile to the PSD file, but is NOT applying it to the DNG, JPG, or TIF files. Here's my reasoning:

I attempted to make a "bad" monitor profile with Eye-One Match 3 as follows: I started the display profile procedure, but part way through I placed an FL-D filter between the sensor and the display (it's one of those somewhat magenta filters for correcting for fluorescent lights that I had handy). The "corrected" display is thus way off.

I had some trouble doing this. At first, I simply did the entire monitor calibration with the filter in place. I'm by no means a color management expert, butI think that Eye-One Match 3 did most of its correction for the filter in the LUT (Look-Up Table) of the video card, and that the resultant monitor profile was no very from normal. I nfer this because my nVidia display card has a Control Panel where, under "Adjust desktop color settings," I can click Restore Defaults. When I do this, the garish green color of the display goes back to "normal." I infer that this is resetting the LUT.

In the Windows Vista Color Management panel, I can change the default monitor profile, and then look in Photoshop (which I'm assuming is correctly color managed), and see if the image colors change. It is necessary (at least in my tests) to close and re-launch Photoshop (or Bridge) to see the effects of changing the default monitor profile. When the entire monitor calibration was done through the filter, changing the monitor profile has no effect that eye can see (it might be subtle). But when I re-profiled as above, inserting the filter part way through the calibratin process, I got a "bad" monitor profile, and the effects of using this are obvious in Photoshop and Bridge.

The point of all that was to create a bad monitor profile whose effects would be obvious when I turned it on or off. I think I succeeded.

With that in hand, I started playing around. With the bad profile set as the default monitor profile (and the LUT reset to default), here's what I see:

(1) All the images in Photoshop and Bridge respond as I'd expect with correctly functioning color management: their colors shift when the bad monitor profile is used.

(2) Internet Explorer, which is not color managed, shows no effect when viewing the JPG file, which is what I'd expect. The color looks "normal."

(3) Windows Photo Gallery apears to be correctly color-managed -- the images change depending on the monitor profile, and the colors match thos in Photoshop and Bridge with the same monitor profile.

(4) The only image in EM2 that matches the colors in Photoshop and Bridge is the PSD file. Everything else displays in a way that suggests to my eye that EM2 is not adjusting these images (thumnails and media previews) for the effects of the monitor profile. They all look pretty close to normal (i.e., what I'd get with no monitor calibration).

So, am I correct in my conclusion that EM2 is messing up color management and not using the monitor profile correctly for some files types??
9  Software Discussions / Media Pro & Expression Media / Re: Expression Media colors don't match in Photoshop? on: January 31, 2009, 07:35:40 PM
Is the Media view different, or only the thumbnail view?
Richard Anderson recently alerted me to that fact.

Peter, what was it that Richard found?
10  Software Discussions / Media Pro & Expression Media / Re: Expression Media colors don't match in Photoshop? on: January 31, 2009, 07:09:45 PM
The thumbnail and media view appear identical to my eye in EM2, and both are warmer than in CS3.

In Preferences > Media Rendering > Images, I have "Color match" turned on. However, turning it off and restarting EM2 doesn't seem to make any difference.

BTW, in Preferences > Media Rendering > Raw, I select "Use embedded preview (if available)," which I assume enables me to see the embedded DNG preview. If I turn this off and try to go to the Media View for a DNG, EM2 consistently crashes. (Turning this off has no effect on viewing a JPEG file, as I'd expect.)
11  Software Discussions / Media Pro & Expression Media / Expression Media colors don't match in Photoshop? on: January 31, 2009, 06:32:31 PM
I've just noticed that the colors I see for some images in Expressions Media 2 don't quite match the same file viewed in Adobe Photoshop CS3, Bridge, aand Adobe Camera Raw. For some DNG files I just created (from Canon CR2 raw files, using Adobe DNG Converter), as well as for a JPEG (created by EM2 from the DNG; it has the sRGB profile embedded). The images look slightly warmer in EM2. To summarize:

- The DNG and the JPEG created from it match each other in EM2.
- The DNG, JPEG, and original CR2 file match each other in the CS3 programs.
- The images viewed in EM2 are warmer than in CS3.
- But ... a PSD file seems to look the same in EM2 and CS3.

I am running Windows Vista with an Apple 23" Cinema Display monitor calibrated with Eye-One Match 3. I have the Ardfry Codec installed so I can view my DNG files in EM2; at first I thought it was a DNG issue; but now I see it with JPEG files as well.

This is annoying! An idea why it's happening???

Thanks.
12  Software Discussions / Media Pro & Expression Media / Re: Expression Media 2 on: September 17, 2008, 10:57:36 AM
Trying it under Windows Vista and browsing through my images, I found that full-size previews of DNG files took about 3 seconds to render, versus 0.5 second for IVMP. And PSD files are taking about 12 seconds, versus 3 seconds in IVMP.

I upgraded hoping to see some speed improvements. The program does seem zippier in some aspects; but the slow media rendering is very disappointing, and has caused me to go back to IVMP for now.

I'm updating my comments above. I've since switched from IVMP to EM (Windows Vista). After installing the Ardfry DNG Codec ($30) my DNG previews are very fast. PSD previews are still slow (3-10 seconds depending on file size), but I decided to live with that. I suppose it's too much to hope that Adobe will release a PSD codec for Windows, so we can see their thumbnails in folders and faster previews in EM.
13  Software Discussions / Lightroom / Re: Lightroom 2 as full DAM program? on: August 26, 2008, 11:08:53 PM
Peter,

Thanks for the information; exactly the kind of analysis I was looking for. I will stick with EM 2 for now.
14  Software Discussions / Lightroom / Lightroom 2 as full DAM program? on: August 25, 2008, 02:23:59 PM
Have changes to Lightroom 2 made it a more capable DAM program for large collections, as compared to Expressions Media/iIvew?

My understanding is that LR 1 was pretty slow for large catalogs -- as just one example of why it wasn't necessarily a good full DAM application. Has LR 2 improved to the point that anyone is switching from iView/EM to LR 2 for "big-time" digital asset management (as opposed to using its raw conversion features)?

I'm using EM 2 for catalogs of tens of thousands of raw images, which I've mostly converted to DNG. I'm still frustrated by the catalog size limit (which I know they've promised as a major upgrade in LR 3). I'm always looking for a better way. Is Lightroom that way (yet)??
15  Software Discussions / iView MediaPro / Convert Image Files is garbling filename on: June 25, 2008, 04:07:27 PM
Today, Convert Image Files has started to garble my filenames (IVMP on Windows Vista). The actual and converted file names are things like:

208-15-0001.dng  -->  208-15~1.jpg
208-15-0264.dng  -->  20A2E5~1.jpg

This is reminiscent of the IVMP bug with QuickTime where catalog names got converted to 8-character names; here, IVMP seems to be limiting the converted filenames to 8 characters as well.

I have been using QuickTime 7.4.1. Just a week or two ago, this all worked fine.

I tried uninstalling and reinstalling IVMP, as well as upgrading to QuickTime 7.5, but the problem persists. Any ideas?
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