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Software Discussions => Media Pro & Expression Media => Topic started by: DrewFulton on May 10, 2011, 01:05:42 PM



Title: iView -> EM -> and Now Media Pro!
Post by: DrewFulton on May 10, 2011, 01:05:42 PM
Looks like Phase One just announced the latest version of Expression Media...  Media Pro.. 

I haven't looked through the details yet but am downloading a trial version now.  Can't wait to see what improvements have been made.  Only $59 to upgrade from EM2 or $69 to upgrade from iView...  That at least sounds good.

For details, check out the site.  I hope Peter or others can share any experience they may have had with it or any Betas they might have used!

http://www.phaseone.com/media-pro

Drew


Title: Re: iView -> EM -> and Now Media Pro!
Post by: arossphoto on May 10, 2011, 01:49:12 PM
I'm very interested in hearing Peter's feedback about this new version as well. I switched from C1 to Aperture a few years ago because I wanted a raw conversion app with integrated cataloguing and archiving. However, I've been reading about all the new features in the latest versions of C1 and have been getting jealous. Now that there is tighter integration with Media Pro it might be enough to get me to switch back. 


Title: Re: iView -> EM -> and Now Media Pro!
Post by: BeckyMalaria on May 10, 2011, 02:35:25 PM
Fingers crossed for some networking or sharing support.

-Becky


Title: Re: iView -> EM -> and Now Media Pro!
Post by: Roelof on May 10, 2011, 03:14:50 PM
Just quick scanned the release notes and nothing about multi user functionality. On Phase One's site however they talk about multi user licenses: http://www.phaseone.com/en/Online-Store/Media-Pro/Media-Pro-multiuser.aspx (http://www.phaseone.com/en/Online-Store/Media-Pro/Media-Pro-multiuser.aspx)
Nothing either on the "Press Room" so I downloaded it myself to find out..
Roelof


Title: Re: iView -> EM -> and Now Media Pro!
Post by: johnbeardy on May 11, 2011, 02:08:41 AM
I notice Virtual Earth has been quietly dropped. Probably because it's from Microsoft, but a shame as that feature was one of the few positives during their ownership.

John


Title: Re: iView -> EM -> and Now Media Pro!
Post by: Bill Lewis on May 11, 2011, 03:35:00 AM
I agree with John, it's a shame that Virtual Earth has been dropped. A couple of years ago I camera scanned about 600 slides that documented a  1966-67 cruise I made aboard a US Navy destroyer circumnavigating the globe, including combat time. I used Virtual Earth to geotag the photos. By opening Virtual earth on a second monitor I had a wonderful presentation platform. Using the arrow keys I could run through the images while showing the location simultaneously.

Bill


Title: Re: iView -> EM -> and Now Media Pro!
Post by: roberte on May 11, 2011, 04:07:20 AM
Good to see the catalog size limit raised from 1.8GB. That is THE number one bugbear from iView.

XMP sidecar support is better easier. Rather than the user do it folder by folder, Sync Annotations in Media Pro 1 now writes XMP sidecars alongside the selected files. However writing XMP files still removes any existing XMP data like Adobe Camera Raw settings!

On windows the raw rendering is the same fast speed. However rendering raw files is way slower on a Mac compared to Expression Media or iView.

Naturally the main benefit is for Capture One 6.2 users with roundtrip metadata and raw rendering.

Phase One are a similar size company to the old iView Multimedia. With the Microsoft code removed Phase One should be nimble enough to release frequent updates to Media Pro.

-- Robert.


Title: Re: iView -> EM -> and Now Media Pro!
Post by: johnbeardy on May 11, 2011, 04:13:18 AM
XMP sidecar support is better easier. Rather than the user do it folder by folder, Sync Annotations in Media Pro 1 now writes XMP sidecars alongside the selected files.
Yes, I also liked that - even if I don't like sidecars!

On windows the raw rendering is the same fast speed.
Are you sure? It strikes me as very much faster than before.

John


Title: Re: iView -> EM -> and Now Media Pro!
Post by: syncrasy on May 11, 2011, 05:38:07 AM
I'm confused about XMP side cars and the implications for my Nikon NEF files...

Does "XMP support" mean simply that Media Pro will read existing XMP files for image editors that use them?
Or will Media Pro generate a side car file for all of my catalogued NEFs?
If I edit a NEF in Capture NX 2, will there then be two out-of-sync locations of XMP information (the side car and the NEF file itself)? Which takes precedence?


Title: Re: iView -> EM -> and Now Media Pro!
Post by: johnbeardy on May 11, 2011, 05:57:58 AM
The changes are smaller than suddenly offering support where there was none before. But they are good, important little changes, and mainly about writing , not reading.

In the past, Action > Extract Metadata generated sidecars in iView/ExMedia but you had to choose a single folder - which is pretty useless if your images may be from many folders. There was also the more helpful Sync command, but it wrote metadata directly inside the NEF.

Now, Sync also offers the choice of XMP sidecar, so for those who do not want to write directly into a raw file, it's easier to save metadata from MediaPro so C1 will read it. In the case of NX2, though, I didn't think it read sidecars.

John


Title: Re: iView -> EM -> and Now Media Pro!
Post by: syncrasy on May 11, 2011, 06:15:40 AM
The changes are smaller than suddenly offering support where there was none before. But they are good, important little changes, and mainly about writing , not reading.

In the past, Action > Extract Metadata generated sidecars in iView/ExMedia but you had to choose a single folder - which is pretty useless if your images may be from many folders. There was also the more helpful Sync command, but it wrote metadata directly inside the NEF.

Now, Sync also offers the choice of XMP sidecar, so for those who do not want to write directly into a raw file, it's easier to save metadata from MediaPro so C1 will read it. In the case of NX2, though, I didn't think it read sidecars.

John

Thanks, John. I'm not sure I understand everything in your answer (I'm not as technically experienced as you) but I assume the short answer is "Don't worry, your NEFs will still work the same way and Media Pro doesn't generate them automatically. Side cars are only option if you want them." Is that correct?

But I'm am now troubled/confused by a post on the Phase One Media Pro discussion board. Apparently, Media Pro has dropped manufacturer support, and thus ignores the modifications made to NEF files with Nikon Capture NX. If manufacturer support is not restored, I will not purchase the upgrade.

I fear that Phase One are using Media Pro to force users to buy Capture One.



Title: Re: iView -> EM -> and Now Media Pro!
Post by: smackie on May 11, 2011, 06:30:06 AM
Hmm. It's a welcome step forward but I've had some stability issues already. On a MacBook Pro running 10.6.7, I'm seeing the background metadata importer thread crash repeatedly. Not on every file but enough to make me very, very cautious about doing much more with it until I know what's going on. I've filed a support request with PhaseOne so we'll see if the customer support has improved.

:-)

Cheers

Scott...


 


Title: Re: iView -> EM -> and Now Media Pro!
Post by: johnbeardy on May 11, 2011, 06:31:04 AM
Yes, that is correct. For you, no change, but it's progress for those who don't want to sync metadata into the raw files themselves and who use editing programs which handle sidecars.

I see what you mean about manufacturer support - I was wondering why my NEFs looked different - but I wonder if the problem is less worrying than you thought. Instead of "manufacturer" they use the Windows Imaging Component (WIC). That worried me at first because I'm on a 64 bit Windows 7 machine and had read somewhere that Nikon hadn't produced a WIC Codec for the platform. However, I took a NEF into NX2, made some changes, and then switched MediaPro to use WIC - my NX2 changes showed up. So I think it's OK.

John


Title: Re: iView -> EM -> and Now Media Pro!
Post by: jimHere on May 11, 2011, 06:36:58 AM
... it's progress for those who don't want to sync metadata into the raw files themselves and who use editing programs which handle sidecars...

Are you guys saying that MediaPro won't sync annotations directly to the image files? It's sidecar only? Or are you saying the sidecar feature is just "better" now?

-- Jim


Title: Re: iView -> EM -> and Now Media Pro!
Post by: johnbeardy on May 11, 2011, 06:40:51 AM
No, before Sync would ONLY write into raw files and you had to go into Action > Extract metadata which would only work on one folder at a time.

Now Sync offers sidecars as well.

John


Title: Re: iView -> EM -> and Now Media Pro!
Post by: syncrasy on May 11, 2011, 06:45:43 AM
Yes, that is correct. For you, no change, but it's progress for those who don't want to sync metadata into the raw files themselves and who use editing programs which handle sidecars.

Thanks. That makes sense. (I'm surprised it wasn't implemented like that before.)

I see what you mean about manufacturer support - I was wondering why my NEFs looked different - but I wonder if the problem is less worrying than you thought. Instead of "manufacturer" they use the Windows Imaging Component (WIC). That worried me at first because I'm on a 64 bit Windows 7 machine and had read somewhere that Nikon hadn't produced a WIC Codec for the platform. However, I took a NEF into NX2, made some changes, and then switched MediaPro to use WIC - my NX2 changes showed up. So I think it's OK.

The original poster is using a Mac, not Windows. But the original poster didn't say if he/she tried the Apple Core Image rendering setting. Still waiting for clarification.


Title: Re: iView -> EM -> and Now Media Pro!
Post by: Rich Green on May 11, 2011, 07:12:49 AM
I'm very happy to see that iView>Expression Media>Media Pro is not being abandoned. I've really come to rely on this product for cataloguing my images.
One comment about syncing the XMP data stated - "However writing XMP files still removes any existing XMP data like Adobe Camera Raw settings!"
That's never happened to me. When I annotate key words, copyright, etc in Expression Media and sync back, if a RAW file has already been opened and adjusted, those adjustments haven't changed. Am I misunderstanding something? Thanks for any insight.

Rich Green
http://www.rjgreenphoto.com/
http://www.richgreenphotography.com
http://rjgreenphoto.wordpress.com/
http://www.facebook.com/Rich.Green.Photography


Title: Re: iView -> EM -> and Now Media Pro!
Post by: billseymour on May 11, 2011, 08:17:49 AM
Quick question for Peter/John B./anyone knowledgeable:

Will the upgrade to Media Pro overwrite my current EM2? I don't want overwriting, in the event I run into any problems with MediaPro.
(I posed this Q to Phase1 earlier today, awaiting their reply).

Thanks. --Bill


Title: Re: iView -> EM -> and Now Media Pro!
Post by: johnbeardy on May 11, 2011, 08:21:50 AM
No, it is a separate installation. It can open ExMedia *.ivc catalogues but makes them read-only - you then save into its *.mpcatalog format.

John


Title: Re: iView -> EM -> and Now Media Pro!
Post by: Rich Green on May 11, 2011, 08:44:01 AM
Here's the link to the tutorials about Media Pro (including not overwriting the previous catalogs) -

http://www.phaseone.com/en/Software/Media-Pro/Tutorials.aspx?utm_source=Apsis&utm_medium=Software_eblast&utm_content=Tutorials&utm_campaign=w19_Media_Pro_Launch_Upgrades

Rich Green
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http://www.richgreenphotography.com
http://rjgreenphoto.wordpress.com/
http://www.facebook.com/Rich.Green.Photography


Title: Re: iView -> EM -> and Now Media Pro!
Post by: billseymour on May 11, 2011, 09:26:06 AM
Great. Thanks John, Rich. I will also check out the tutorials at link given by Rich.
--Bill


Title: Re: iView -> EM -> and Now Media Pro!
Post by: syncrasy on May 11, 2011, 10:33:11 AM

I see what you mean about manufacturer support - I was wondering why my NEFs looked different - but I wonder if the problem is less worrying than you thought. Instead of "manufacturer" they use the Windows Imaging Component (WIC). That worried me at first because I'm on a 64 bit Windows 7 machine and had read somewhere that Nikon hadn't produced a WIC Codec for the platform. However, I took a NEF into NX2, made some changes, and then switched MediaPro to use WIC - my NX2 changes showed up. So I think it's OK.

The original poster is using a Mac, not Windows. But the original poster didn't say if he/she tried the Apple Core Image rendering setting. Still waiting for clarification.

The Mac NEF preview issue has been verified.

From a user on the Media Pro forum:

"iView/Expression Media rendered Nikon NEF previews correctly through 10.4 (Tiger). Color got a little hairy with 10.5 (Leopard), and finally broke completely with 10.6. PhotoMechanic has absolutely no trouble reflecting edits in NEFs in all 3 OSes, so I have to conclude something has been off in this software for a long time.

[In Media Pro] thumbnail view does render the edits properly, but Media view does not."

Now I'm hoping to get clarification from Phase One on whether this is an Apple-Nikon licensing issue or a bug that Phase One can/will fix.


Title: Re: iView -> EM -> and Now Media Pro!
Post by: johnbeardy on May 11, 2011, 11:00:30 AM
Mark

I doubt it is a licensing thing. When you save work in NX2, it updates the embedded preview in the file, and you don't need permission from Nikon to read those previews. I suspect that's what MP is doing on Windows via the WIC, but I guess Apple's Core thingy is decoding the raw data.

John


Title: Re: iView -> EM -> and Now Media Pro!
Post by: roberte on May 11, 2011, 01:35:56 PM
John - on Mac the preview rendering is noticeably slower than xMedia and iView. On Windows it's fast. I remember xmedia did the same whilst Redmond experimented with WICs.

Rich - I did several tests on a Mac and yes Media Pro/Capture One XMP sidecar sync wipes ACR settings.

FWIW last year Phase One surveyed customers and the majority response whether to integrate or separate Capture One and xMedia was keep them separate.


The commercial reality is photographers want everything in one app regardless of whether it works or not! It's easier (and cheaper) to sell the Lightroom/Aperture/Bibble workflow story than Capture One+Media Pro.

-- Robert.


Title: Re: iView -> EM -> and Now Media Pro!
Post by: Rich Green on May 11, 2011, 03:06:32 PM
Robert,

Regarding your test - I am confused because of this - - I've been using iView, and now, Expression Media for years, have synced, opened up RAW files in Photoshop, back and forth, and copyright, keywords and the ACR settings have stayed. I have to do a test on this myself. Maybe I'm misunderstanding something.

Rich Green
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http://www.richgreenphotography.com
http://rjgreenphoto.wordpress.com/
http://www.facebook.com/Rich.Green.Photography


Title: Re: iView -> EM -> and Now Media Pro!
Post by: Nat on May 11, 2011, 05:50:01 PM
XMP sidecar support is better easier. Rather than the user do it folder by folder, Sync Annotations in Media Pro 1 now writes XMP sidecars alongside the selected files.
Yes, I also liked that - even if I don't like sidecars!

On windows the raw rendering is the same fast speed.
Are you sure? It strikes me as very much faster than before.
John

So, John, I have been converting all of my NEF files into dng's for years now.  Will I have to generate new XMP sidecars for all of them if I start making changes to them or with that new metadata be stored in the dng's?

Nat


Title: Re: iView -> EM -> and Now Media Pro!
Post by: johnbeardy on May 11, 2011, 11:29:03 PM
No change - the new behaviour is only an option.
John


Title: Re: iView -> EM -> and Now Media Pro!
Post by: billseymour on May 12, 2011, 12:17:42 AM
Does MediaPro have a scripting capability similar to EM2/iView? I've found this to be quite a helpful feature over the years. --Bill


Title: Re: iView -> EM -> and Now Media Pro!
Post by: johnbeardy on May 12, 2011, 12:30:50 AM
Bill

MediaPro is almost identical to EM2, so yes. And as far as I can tell, existing EM/iV scripts can be made to run - I put a note about how to do it on Windows on my scripts page http://www.beardsworth.co.uk/lightroom/iview/

John


Title: Re: iView -> EM -> and Now Media Pro!
Post by: billseymour on May 12, 2011, 12:38:12 AM
Thanks for the info, John. I've been using scripts from the iView days (some based on the scripts you made available), modifying them for EM2. I imagine with some MediaPro related tweaking, they ought to work there, as well. --Bill


Title: Re: iView -> EM -> and Now Media Pro!
Post by: billseymour on May 12, 2011, 01:16:40 AM
I've just read over the Phase One forum's MediaPro posts as of 5/11, and I am somewhat concerned to see mostly (pretty much overwhelmingly) negative feedback. The complaints about the UI don't particularly bother me, because that is merely cosmetic and if user color options are provided, easily resolved to suit individual tastes.

On the other hand, I see a number of posts indicating that MediaPro is slow (compared to EM2), crashes, some reports of flickering text on panels, etc. These types of things do concern me, particularly the speed criticisms. One of the reasons I returned to EM2 from Idimager was my experience of sluggishness in the latter. EM2 (and iView before it) is light on its feet and quick. I can't tell whether the posts re MediaPro speed are just gripes, or represent a real identified problem.

I plan to take MediaPro out for a spin in a week or two, and I hope that it is closer to "nearly identical to EM2" as John B. suggested, rather than being so "new and improved" as to be a problem.
--Bill


Title: Re: iView -> EM -> and Now Media Pro!
Post by: johnbeardy on May 12, 2011, 01:32:12 AM
It's the nature of the beast! To some extent, people will just complain about differences that are obvious, like the UI. I do think the menu text could be bigger, and I'll get used to the Organize button that looks too much like a printer. I don't get the speed problems - as I said in my post (top right in news) I'm finding it pretty quick, though since then I have noticed some odd slowdowns.

John


Title: Re: iView -> EM -> and Now Media Pro!
Post by: billseymour on May 12, 2011, 07:07:28 AM
John- Good points.

I also realize that I don't yet know the Phase One forum, in the sense that I don't have a sense of the backgrounds, knowledge, attitudes, etc of the posters there. On the other hand, I am familiar with this DAM forum, and know the posts and ideas of numerous folk, and I know the "reliability" of many of these authors.

So I look forward to seeing, on DAM forum, feedback on MediaPro. --Bill


Title: Re: iView -> EM -> and Now Media Pro!
Post by: johnbeardy on May 12, 2011, 07:24:58 AM
Yes, and over there they all have names like NN115145445454211545. Sorry, NN115145445454211545 whoever you are, but Bill, John, Peter etc is a whole lot easier!

John


Title: Re: iView -> EM -> and Now Media Pro!
Post by: Paul_S on May 13, 2011, 12:58:23 AM
Well as a long standing user of ME2 and Iveiw before I'm having a lot of problems with it on Windows 7 64 bit as are many others.

1- File sort does not work.

2- Selecting more than one folder results in a blank thumbnail view, so I only have the choice of viewing all thumbnails or just one folder.

3--No matter what you set in the syncronise dialogue it generates XMP side car files for all images including Jpegs.

4- Setting the rendering engine to Phase One and trying to view images full size just causes a freeze up .

Speed is not to much of a issue with me but just the above make it virtually unusable and I have had to go back to using EM2.


Title: Re: iView -> EM -> and Now Media Pro!
Post by: roberte on May 13, 2011, 09:09:38 PM
I know Phase One's actions will have to speak louder than words. However I have to say they are very responsive to user bug reports and take them seriously. Phase One are dedicated to make Media Pro the best DAM solution for all photographers including those who do not use Capture One. Nevertheless it makes sense to make the first update work better with their raw conversion software.

Media Pro will improve and I anticipate updates will be released far more frequently than has been the case since iView.

Surely Phase One need to recruit more alpha and beta testers before they release Media Pro to market? v1 should not have shipped with the apparently obvious bugs Paul lists above. I've sent at least as many bug reports to Phase One.

-- Robert.


Title: Re: iView -> EM -> and Now Media Pro!
Post by: BeckyMalaria on May 17, 2011, 10:45:21 AM
So regarding my wish for network support, the only thing we've found that's hopeful is here:
http://www.phaseone.com/en/Software/Media-Pro/Features/Complete-features.aspx

"Shared catalogs 
Share your catalogs with others on your network or by email. New shared catalog support enables multiple users to work with the same catalog."

Kind of vague and I can't find anything about this elsewhere. It's not mentioned in the "highlights" section of their release notes, and there's no manual in the Documentation area. We'll do a trial when time permits, but would LOVE to learn if anyone else has tested this out or read any other info on shared catalogues.

-Becky


Title: Re: iView -> EM -> and Now Media Pro!
Post by: roberte on May 18, 2011, 04:12:45 PM
Becky,

As far as I can see regarding shared access to catalogs there is no difference to Expression Media and iView. i.e., The first user opening the catalog has read/write access, successive users have read-only access until the first user closes their app.

In Expression Media I did see crashes when more than one person opened an 'IVC' catalog. In the little time that I've used Media Pro I've seen no crashes opening 'MPCATALOG' files on multiple Mac computers. I am guessing when Phase One changed the catalog and increased its size limit they may have fixed what caused crashes?

-- Robert.


Title: Re: iView -> EM -> and Now Media Pro!
Post by: DonShreve on May 18, 2011, 10:27:40 PM
I just wanted to say that after a bit of a rough start with crashes upon startup, I'm pretty pleased..overall.
The support culture is responsive, but not quite what other companies do. I have actual reason to believe it will improve, but the obvious focus of this company is on their PhaseOne brand. MUCH better than M$, but the program is still buggy.
The improvements aren't huge, but neither is the price on the upgrade. The ROI is a no-brainer here. Biggest improvement is on speed. The interface is more 2011, but I haven't explored or needed whatever else.
It's worth a shot, there's still no other cataloging software like it, AFAIC.



Title: Re: iView -> EM -> and Now Media Pro!
Post by: BeckyMalaria on May 19, 2011, 09:56:50 AM
Hi Roberte,

I wish that was how EM2 worked, at least for us. What happens is that once two people have the shared file open, NEITHER can save. So you can only save changes if you're the the only one accessing the file. No good.

Here's my post on the subject:
http://thedambook.com/smf/index.php?topic=4851.msg26942#msg26942

-Becky


Title: Re: iView -> EM -> and Now Media Pro!
Post by: Rich Green on May 29, 2011, 07:58:03 AM
Yesterday it was time to download and upgrade. On a Mac, OS 10.5.8 After installing I followed the directions to upgrade my Expression Media catalogues. For those who don't know, launch Media pro, open an Expression Media catalog, then "save as". It doesn't overwrite the old file, but starts a new one. I have 24 catalogues and expected everything to go smoothly. (For that reason alone I should be beaten and flogged.) And for 23 catalogues everything was absolutely fine, but there was one catalog that was simply bizarre. I ended up sending this email to Phase One support -

"Am upgrading all Expression Media catalogues to Media pro and everything has worked except one catalog. I have also tried to build a new catalog from scratch - importing not from Expression Media catalog but direct from the image folder itself but the program just freezes. At first I assumed that there might be too many images so I tested importing just 1 image and it still freezes. Every other catalog or folder imported just fine, but this one freezes. What could possibly be wrong? Thanks for any help."

I ended up solving the problem by going to my backup HD (for all you folks out there here's a reminder of how backing up, and recent back ups, can save the day). On the backup I imported the Expression Media catalog and finally everything worked. Now, I'm not foolish enough to think that I won't have problems, I run into them all the time, but this one was strange. I've been using the product since iView 2.0 (I think). There have always been bugs but it has remained my product of choice. This time though, I was not a happy camper.

Rich Green
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http://www.richgreenphotography.com
http://rjgreenphoto.wordpress.com/
http://www.facebook.com/Rich.Green.Photography


Title: Re: iView -> EM -> and Now Media Pro!
Post by: Rich Green on May 31, 2011, 06:18:11 AM
Well, the mistake turned out to be my own. Under the menu>MediaPro>Preferences>Media Rendering>RAW>it was set to Phase One and should have been set to Apple. In my own limited defense, I have been using this product for years and had completely forgotten about this setting. So, if anyone else is having this problem or you're going to upgrade and are not using Phase One Capture product, and you're on a Mac, make sure you set it to Apple.

Rich Green
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http://www.richgreenphotography.com
http://rjgreenphoto.wordpress.com/
http://www.facebook.com/Rich.Green.Photography


Title: Re: iView -> EM -> and Now Media Pro!
Post by: Rich Green on June 10, 2011, 02:14:01 PM
One thing I discovered that doesn't work anymore, or maybe it's changed and I just don't know how to do it - I like to click on multiple folders buttons (those little dots to the right of the folder name with the image count) and then I could see what's in multiple folders at one time. I also run tasks doing this - I'll click on several folders with Canon RAW images that I want to convert to DNG and I can do it in one step.

This worked perfectly in iView and Expression. Anyone have any ideas why I can't see the images anymore?  Thanks.

Rich Green
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http://www.richgreenphotography.com
http://rjgreenphoto.wordpress.com/
http://www.facebook.com/Rich.Green.Photography


Title: Re: iView -> EM -> and Now Media Pro!
Post by: johnbeardy on June 10, 2011, 02:19:47 PM
It is on the P1 forum somewhere, but it's a horrible bug, Rich. I think it also affects other multi select operations.

John


Title: Re: iView -> EM -> and Now Media Pro!
Post by: Rich Green on June 10, 2011, 02:31:28 PM
Thanks for the reply John. Since it's a bug, maybe there's a fix on the way. (I can hope!)

Rich Green
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Title: Re: iView -> EM -> and Now Media Pro!
Post by: Ron Berlier on July 01, 2011, 06:35:46 PM
John, would you please share with us, if you don't mind, whether you are still using EM2, or have you moved to using MediaPro?

It appears that many folks who have moved to MediaPro are very unhappy with their decison for various reasons.

Thanks in advance for your thoughts-

Ron
Eugene, OR USA


Title: Re: iView -> EM -> and Now Media Pro!
Post by: johnbeardy on July 01, 2011, 10:59:26 PM
MediaPro, Ron, but only as a backup to Lightroom and just in case I ever decide to really go back. After initially-good findings with MediaPro I upgraded but gradually ran into slowdowns and irritations like the multi-folder selection and very inconsistent folder panels (eg duplication of drives). I don't mind the UI, though I think the menu text should be bigger and I keep thinking the Organize panel icon is a printer. It's pretty obvious P1 didn't test this out enough.

John


Title: Re: iView -> EM -> and Now Media Pro!
Post by: Rich Green on July 04, 2011, 06:57:51 AM
John,

I agree with you. I've been using the program since it was iView 2.0. and it's been buggy since that time. I've learned, begrudgingly, to live with the annoyances and with each update there are new bugs to moan about, and it's no exception with this new Media Pro version.


Rich Green
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http://www.richgreenphotography.com
http://rjgreenphoto.wordpress.com/
http://www.facebook.com/Rich.Green.Photography


Title: Re: iView -> EM -> and Now Media Pro!
Post by: Rich Green on July 08, 2011, 09:07:38 AM
Hey guys, just downloaded a media pro update - 1.0.1. One problem I complained about in an earlier post was the inability to view several folders at the same time. Well, it's been fixed.


Rich Green
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http://www.richgreenphotography.com
http://rjgreenphoto.wordpress.com/
http://www.facebook.com/Rich.Green.Photography


Title: Re: iView -> EM -> and Now Media Pro!
Post by: billseymour on July 11, 2011, 05:05:57 AM
John B.- I'm not sure I understood your answer re Media Pro or EM2. Are you using Lightroom now, rather than EM2 or Media Pro? Is Lightroom close enough to the EM2/iView experience to warrant my looking at it more closely?

An interesting and frustrating journey of iView -> EM/EM2 -> Media Pro. The original wasn't broken, but the successor programs seem to make things more problematic rather than smoother. Thanks. --Bill


Title: Re: iView -> EM -> and Now Media Pro!
Post by: johnbeardy on July 11, 2011, 05:23:11 AM
Bill

I'm using Lightroom for all adjustment, metadata entry, and finding pictures. Once a folder of pictures is "finished", I then catalogue all the images in MediaPro, which is what I mean by "as a backup to Lightroom and just in case I ever decide to really go back". If I didn't have LR, I'd be able to use MP to find anything.

John


Title: Re: iView -> EM -> and Now Media Pro!
Post by: billseymour on July 11, 2011, 07:14:41 PM
OK, John, thanks for the clarification. (The "backup to Lightroom" phrasing had confused me.)

I am staying with EM2 for now, watching and hopeful that MediaPro will get straightened out.
Thanks for the response. --Bill


Title: Re: iView -> EM -> and Now Media Pro!
Post by: cdubea on July 15, 2011, 05:36:00 AM
After jumping in feet first only to find a number of "issues" I'm definitely ambivalent.

I've got a bunch of old images (jpg's mostly) that I had converted to NEF's in Capture.  Media Pro (and Capture One) will not access those images.  As the manufacturer rendering has been removed and there is no 64 bit WIC codec from Nikon, those images were no longer rendered on my Win7 64 bit machine.  A quick alert to Phase One support acknowledged the issue with a bit of a "tough luck" remark :(

I was able to procure a third party WIC codec that provides that function and now I my NEF's are rendered. 

The level of interaction of Phase One personnel in their forum is frankly a bit disappointing.  Occasionally someone named Drew will chime in that "they are aware of the problem" but that's about all.  I was hoping PO would see the forum as a tool to help them manage the product (ala Hert and IdImager), but alas that seems not to be the case.

About the only thing I'm certain of at this point is PO will see no more of my hard earned money without a thorough and detailed evaluation of any future "upgrades".

Take care

chris


Title: Re: iView -> EM -> and Now Media Pro!
Post by: paul_dymond on February 22, 2014, 07:54:53 PM
I've just upgraded to the latest version of Media Pro after being a long time iView and then Expression Media user. I've hit a snag with the thumbnail rendering. When I convert my CR2 files from the 6D to DNGs, any changes I've made in Camera Raw CC aren't reflected in the thumbnails in Media Pro. But it's only been happening in the last week or so and I can't figure out what's changed. Even though I made various changes in Camera Raw, it's as if Media Pro is suddenly ignoring all the information in the XMP file and just rendering the original RAW file and nothing I can see changes it. Help!

Paul Dymond
www.dymond.com.au