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Title: Phase One buys Expression Media - updated
Post by: peterkrogh on May 25, 2010, 06:09:36 AM
This probably won't be a huge surprise for a lot of people. Over the last year, many people have asked me about the future of Expression Media. Unfortunately, all that I could say was to wait.  As of today, the first part of that waiting is over - Microsoft has sold Expression Media to Phase One, the Danish company that makes Phase One cameras and Capture One software.

I'm glad to see that the product will be moving to a company that is intensely focused on the photographer. Unlike Microsoft, Phase One only makes tools for photography. I hope this means that the software development will accelerate, and that it will move in new directions that are essential for the visual creator.

Phase One has some offers for existing Capture One and Expression Media customers :

Capture One owners can get a free copy of Expression Media.

Expression Media owners can get a free copy of Capture One.

iView owners can get a free copy of Expression Media 2 as well.

Here's the upgrade page.
http://www.phaseone.com/en/Software/Expression-Media-2/Special-offer.aspx

Peter


Title: Re: Phase One buys Expression Media - updated
Post by: Louie Sherwin on May 25, 2010, 07:10:29 AM
Well how about that. It makes one wonder exactly what MS wanted with iView in the first place. I agree that this is good news for the photographers especially those of who purchased iView way back when..

You scooped dpreview.com! You must be well connected ;-)

-louie


Title: Re: Phase One buys Expression Media - updated
Post by: BoglePhoto on May 25, 2010, 07:14:00 AM
Peter,

You made my day. I think the EM2 forum was one of the most entertaining places when MS let everyone vent on how good a product it was, and how MS abandoned it. Well it is worth the wait, as I did not want to move from EM2 if I had to.

Bill Bogle, Jr.


Title: Re: Phase One buys Expression Media - updated
Post by: Jay101 on May 25, 2010, 12:30:13 PM
Fantastic news.  Ends the nightmare of an abandoned product by an owner who did not care.  Made my day to read this.  Hopefully the last I will ever have to deal with MS.  Well done P1 - I thank you!


Title: Re: Phase One buys Expression Media - updated
Post by: DonShreve on May 25, 2010, 02:29:34 PM
Made my day, too. Finally some good news.


Title: Re: Phase One buys Expression Media - updated
Post by: Doug on May 25, 2010, 03:01:32 PM
Good news!


Title: Re: Phase One buys Expression Media - updated
Post by: BobSmith on May 25, 2010, 07:10:55 PM
I'm glad to see that it's still alive and no longer under Microsoft control, but given my experiences with Capture One Pro development I remain more than a little guarded about it's viable future.  I really hope that a merging of the bests of Capture One and EM occurs but I confess I'm not optimistic.

Bob Smith


Title: Re: Phase One buys Expression Media - updated
Post by: Robert Q Groom on May 25, 2010, 07:51:35 PM
In terms of John Beardsworth's "serial monogamy" analogy...

I can stay married to the same DAM software I know and love, but her parents have remarried to more appealing partners.  ;)

Robert Groom


Title: Re: Phase One buys Expression Media - updated
Post by: Butch_M on May 25, 2010, 08:55:59 PM
Hopefully the last I will ever have to deal with MS.  Well done P1 - I thank you!

+1,000

Thanks for the wonderful news Peter ... the future looks much better than it did yesterday ....  :)


Title: Re: Phase One buys Expression Media - updated
Post by: BoglePhoto on May 26, 2010, 05:21:57 AM
And Phase One has a new offer of EM2 for $49.00 until June 4, 2010. Got to get a license for my daughter. She starts work today as an intern at Life.com for the summer and the Eddie Adams Workshop doing, what else, archiving, keywording, and other DAM tasks.

Bill Bogle, Jr.


Title: Re: Phase One buys Expression Media - updated
Post by: peterkrogh on May 26, 2010, 05:30:17 AM
Bill,
She's on the Black Team for Eddie Adams?
That's a fabulous experience.
Peter


Title: Re: Phase One buys Expression Media - updated
Post by: JoeThePhotographer on May 26, 2010, 07:38:22 AM
And Phase One has a new offer of EM2 for $49.00 until June 4, 2010. Got to get a license for my daughter. She starts work today as an intern at Life.com for the summer and the Eddie Adams Workshop doing, what else, archiving, keywording, and other DAM tasks.

Bill Bogle, Jr.

Bill,

Where did you see the offer for EM2 for $49?

I was also wondering if there was a way to evaluate EM2 before buying.  Is it useful for someone (me) who does not do keywords?

Joe


Title: Re: Phase One buys Expression Media - updated
Post by: BoglePhoto on May 26, 2010, 08:09:20 AM
I got an e-mail about it today from Phase One. I think you need to subscribe to their newletter.

Not sure of the protocol as to posting the code. Peter, can you advise if that can/should be done?

I think it is fabulous for catalog sets, date information and other information even if you don't use keywords as a big part. Peter has done several videos on how it can help locate images just by date and type.

Bill Bogle, Jr.


Title: Re: Phase One buys Expression Media - updated
Post by: mantra on May 26, 2010, 08:56:34 AM
i hope they will change the gui of expression media 2 because it's super ugly

iview still rocks

i hope they will develop it quilcky


Title: Re: Phase One buys Expression Media - updated
Post by: johnbeardy on May 26, 2010, 09:55:54 AM
Well I didn't see that one coming! But it makes sense, given previous links between the companies / products. As with Microsoft's period of ownership, only time will tell. It's already pretty late in the day, so Phase One are going to have to put in some serious effort.

John


Title: Re: Phase One buys Expression Media - updated
Post by: Absolute Chaos on May 26, 2010, 10:19:55 AM


Expression Media owners can get a free copy of Capture One.



Very good news. I got the newsletter as well today.

I'm curious what EM3 will look like.

Regarding the offer: I have not read anything about this in the newsletter or on Phase One's home page.

I bought both when they were offered together at a discount. But I only have Capture one 4.

Now I can get Capture One 5 for free as well. While I haven't used Capture One 4 in a while (DPP user), it's not bad to have an alternative.

Attention: the offer expires June 30th.

Robert


Title: Re: Phase One buys Expression Media - updated
Post by: Absolute Chaos on May 26, 2010, 10:29:57 AM
Attention: the EM2 for $49 offer expires June 4th.

Robert


Title: Re: Phase One buys Expression Media - updated
Post by: GregBoyer on May 26, 2010, 11:52:39 AM
Really good news.....I guess I better go buy some lottery tickets(see post of 3/10)..... ;D


Title: Re: Phase One buys Expression Media - updated
Post by: roberte on May 26, 2010, 03:13:55 PM
Like iView Multimedia, Phase One are a small, nimble company so can act far quicker than Microsoft.

Phase are serious about photography and have some serious money to invest. Witness the acquisitions of Mamiya, Leaf and now xMedia. It was always going to be guesswork which company would buyout the other, Microsoft (Expression Media) or Phase One.

Where Phase will take xMedia is speculation:

1. Combine it with Capture One 6 to make a Lightroom-type app
2. Reduce it to focus on raw workflow (remove other file support + QuickTime)
3. Grow the app to be the dominant DAM app for creatives

I hope it's 3 but expect number 1.

-- Robert.



Title: Re: Phase One buys Expression Media - updated
Post by: Rich Green on May 26, 2010, 03:50:19 PM
Peter,

Thanks for the info about the Phase One offer you made via a comment I made in the Yahoo Group APA Digital. I just provided my serial number and hope to get the link within a few days to download the software. One question - years ago when Microsoft made a similar offer I downloaded Version #1, which I still have but never used. It didn't seem any different that iView 3. My question - is Expression 2 any better? Thanks.

Rich Green
www.rjgreenphoto.com


Title: Re: Phase One buys Expression Media - updated
Post by: Sam Rohn on May 26, 2010, 05:26:23 PM
what excellent news, hats off to MS for doing the right thing and allowing this app to move to a better home

heres hoping phase one change the name back to iview media pro, which is how most folks i know still refer to EM

BTW, the $49 offer appears legit -

from http://www.bythom.com/

May 25 (commentary) -- iView Media Pro has left its temporary home at Microsoft where the softies apparently didn't know what images were, why they might be important to Windows and Office users, and why they might want to manage them. As of yesterday, iView has a new home at Phase One, the makers of the Capture One raw converter. Phase One has a temporary offer of US$49 for Microsoft Expression Media 2 (normally US$199). Just use the code XMOFFER on checkout.

sam


Title: Re: Phase One buys Expression Media - updated
Post by: Absolute Chaos on May 26, 2010, 06:26:01 PM
Like iView Multimedia, Phase One are a small, nimble company so can act far quicker than Microsoft.

Phase are serious about photography and have some serious money to invest. Witness the acquisitions of Mamiya, Leaf and now xMedia. It was always going to be guesswork which company would buyout the other, Microsoft (Expression Media) or Phase One.

Where Phase will take xMedia is speculation:

1. Combine it with Capture One 6 to make a Lightroom-type app
2. Reduce it to focus on raw workflow (remove other file support + QuickTime)
3. Grow the app to be the dominant DAM app for creatives

I hope it's 3 but expect number 1.

-- Robert.



To remove all other file support? I don't really think this would be a good option.


I also hope Phase One don't limit the compatibility to Capture One processed files. I use DPP and this would mean I could no longer use the software.

And what about those who shoot Hasselblad? Phase One would cut them off with such a move. They would cut off many people this way, and this is why I don't think this will happen.

Proprietary software (like Lightroom) is not good. It forces you to work with the products of one company exclusively.


In case the pulling up of the drawbridge does happen: Photo Mechanic will one day release its DAM software. We'll have a choice. And this is another reason why Phase One won't do this.

Robert


Title: Re: Phase One buys Expression Media - updated
Post by: roberte on May 26, 2010, 09:37:00 PM
To remove all other file support? I don't really think this would be a good option.
No. remove support for non-photographic file formats like EPS, PDF, HTML, SWF, etc. xMedia supports 130 files formats + 180 Raw formats = 300+ formats.

-- Robert.


Title: Re: Phase One buys Expression Media - updated
Post by: Pdepuhl on May 27, 2010, 06:00:34 AM

I also hope Phase One don't limit the compatibility to Capture One processed files. I use DPP and this would mean I could no longer use the software.

And what about those who shoot Hasselblad? Phase One would cut them off with such a move. They would cut off many people this way, and this is why I don't think this will happen.

Proprietary software (like Lightroom) is not good. It forces you to work with the products of one company exclusively.


Robert,

I have been using Capture One for years now and know that their philosophy has always been one of an 'open software' kind of approach. Yes they make digital backs (Phase One), but their software supports all types of cameras - Capture One is my main image processor, no matter if I am shooting Phase One backs tethered or if I am shooting Canon cameras tethered or import from cards.

Capture One actually increased the types of files that you can process with their software to include jpegs and TIFF files, not just their Raw files and you can shoot a tethered Hasselblad straight into Capture One.


Title: Re: Phase One buys Expression Media - updated
Post by: Absolute Chaos on May 27, 2010, 12:40:16 PM
To remove all other file support? I don't really think this would be a good option.
No. remove support for non-photographic file formats like EPS, PDF, HTML, SWF, etc. xMedia supports 130 files formats + 180 Raw formats = 300+ formats.

-- Robert.

Yes, this would make sense. For this kind of flies you can go with Bridge.

Robert


Title: Re: Phase One buys Expression Media - updated
Post by: johnbeardy on May 27, 2010, 01:04:25 PM
It would make no sense at all, and would actually erode an advantage iViewOne have over Lightroom and Aperture in allowing the photographer to decide which file types to catalogue. For many photographers, PDF or Word documents are as important a part of a photographic project as images, and the same argument could be applied to videos, sound recordings, and other multimedia files.

John


Title: Re: Phase One buys Expression Media - updated
Post by: Lauren Singer on May 27, 2010, 02:17:17 PM
It doesn't matter if Expression supports a ton of file types, I would only catalog what is valuable to me anyway.
There's no rule that you have to catalog everything. And no catalog cops either!

Glad to know that Expression is being picked up and not left on the vine...

Lauren Singer


Title: Re: Phase One buys Expression Media - updated
Post by: johnbeardy on May 27, 2010, 02:36:16 PM
Yes, and I'm saying it should be up to the user to decide - not the catalogue developer by finding some arbitrary way of limiting your choice.

John


Title: Re: Phase One buys Expression Media - updated
Post by: awaldon on May 27, 2010, 08:37:25 PM
I completely disagree that some formats should be removed. Most of people work in a variety of media. For example, as digital SLRs are increasingly able to write full HD with some better characteristics than that produced by dedicated film cameras, people run into the need to catalog such produce along with photographs in an integrated fashion. The same goes for the multiple types of design derivatives. Bridge is no alternative here. In fact there is no good alternative I have found (please suggest if you know one). EM could become one but only by extending format/file support, not cutting it!


Title: Re: Phase One buys Expression Media - updated
Post by: roberte on May 27, 2010, 10:41:32 PM
It doesn't matter if Expression supports a ton of file types, I would only catalog what is valuable to me anyway.

Lauren file formats that are important to you may not be important to others. And vice versa. Do you need PDFs, Word docs? For me they hold my invoices and estimates. Maybe you want to catalog movie files from your DSLR. I couldn't care.

To be clear I don't want Phase to reduce file format support but retain or even expand on them.

-- Robert.
[Honorary Catalog Cop]


Title: Re: Phase One buys Expression Media - updated
Post by: aniemann on May 28, 2010, 12:06:40 AM
I want to add my 2 cents for keeping and even expanding file formats. Most photos we take are part of a larger project. There is no living with just photo files. One example would be multimedia projects. These will include lots of different photos of course, some amount of video and then word docs that supply the text for titles, biographies, content etc., vector graphics as well as pdfs from different artists, sometimes html pages and links to research, and then the Flash or Director files. It is more than useful to be able to have all the files for a project findable years after.

Andy


Title: Re: Phase One buys Expression Media - updated
Post by: Dierk on May 28, 2010, 12:25:32 AM
It's not just PDFs [make for easily transferable slide shows] or text documents [which I don't catalogue], it is graphical design formats that should be of interest to photographers, like AI, EPS, QT [slide shows again], SWF ...

Let's see what Phase One themselves will say about future development, we've been burnt at least once over MediaPro/xMedia; and for the time being the program is far behind in development and marketing.


Title: Re: Phase One buys Expression Media - updated
Post by: jimHere on May 28, 2010, 07:12:58 AM
Well, we should all go the the PhaseOne forums to let 'em know:
http://forum.phaseone.com/En/viewforum.php?f=36&sid=45050a07f2463755738f4b6fe8ca1e87

(I want all the formats too -- Bridge just doesn't work as well)

-- Jim


Title: Re: Phase One buys Expression Media - updated
Post by: Butch_M on May 28, 2010, 09:16:47 AM
I received my free license code for Capture One 5 today ... that was fairly quick response ....


Title: Re: Phase One buys Expression Media - updated
Post by: roberte on May 28, 2010, 09:19:33 PM
Hi Andy,

That's precisely why iView was invented by Yan all those years ago. The future of of photography; for the pro, enthusiast and consumer, is more multimedia.

-- Robert.


Title: Re: Phase One buys Expression Media - updated
Post by: DonShreve on May 30, 2010, 02:05:07 PM
Thanks Jimhere for the link to the Phase One user forums. Kind of cumbersome to get registered, but after viewing the forums, it seems the company is very resomnsive & interested in the needs of the professional photographer.


Title: Re: Phase One buys Expression Media - updated
Post by: Todd Douglass on June 13, 2010, 07:15:03 AM
There is a new offer available until June 18th.  You can get Capture One 5 for $64.50 (1/2 price, Use Voucher Code: CO5OFFER, offer expires 6/18/10). 

You can then take advantage of the 2nd offer, which is FREE Expression Media 2 if you have bought Capture One 5 (you need the Capture One 5 Product Key, offer expires 6/30/10).  That's quite a deal, $64.50 for both programs! 

I just got both and will be installing and using them.  I had the Lightroom 3 Beta 2, but that expires at the end of this month and it's $300 to upgrade.  I was debating between EM2 and IDImager Professional for catlogging.  Capture One 5 and EM2 for $64.50 total was too good of a deal for me to pass up. 

I am not sure about using Capture One 5 however.  I was originally thinking of using PS (or PSE), Bridge, IDimager Pro v5, and ImageIngester Pro.  I was also considering using Lightroom for image adjusting and the front end processing, but $300 is a lot as I won't be using it for catloging.  So perhaps now I will use PSE, EM2, and Capture One for a very low cost setup.  I am not sure if I still need or want ImageIngester Pro, and/or Bridge (does Bridge come with PSE?)  I haven't seen a lot about Capture One 5 and I don't know how it will work with DNG files (claims to support the format).  It looks like Capture One 5 is designed to work ideally with RAW images.  I am wondering how Cature One 5 will work instead of using LR with a separate catalogging program (now EM2). 

Anyway, lots to figure out and to play with :-)

Thank you,
Todd


Title: Re: Phase One buys Expression Media - updated
Post by: Paul_S on June 13, 2010, 11:18:03 PM
Todd, I do not think you will be disapointed, as someone who owns LR2.7 (and trialing LR3), CO5 ,IDimager Pro and EM2, I much prefere using EM2 and CO5 and LR is sitting on my computer pretty much redundant now. 

EM2 and CO5 play together more nicely than I first thought, especially if using the capture sets in CO5. :)


Title: Re: Phase One buys Expression Media - updated
Post by: J.W. Wall on June 30, 2010, 10:38:15 AM
The free Capture One offer for EM2 owners is in effect through today, June 30, 2010, per Phase One's web site.


Title: Re: Phase One buys Expression Media - updated
Post by: R. Neil Haugen on June 30, 2010, 02:11:31 PM
Todd, I do not think you will be disapointed, as someone who owns LR2.7 (and trialing LR3), CO5 ,IDimager Pro and EM2, I much prefere using EM2 and CO5 and LR is sitting on my computer pretty much redundant now. 

EM2 and CO5 play together more nicely than I first thought, especially if using the capture sets in CO5. :)

Paul ... I've played with CO4 and CO5, and don't seem to "get" it nearly as well as Lightroom. I've not found the way to flow through the program when working on groups of images in my sessions or weddings. Any thoughts or suggestions? Especially if it works as well with EM as you say ... I did take advantage of the upgrade I had coming and also grabbed an EM for my wife's studio through the deal, they're still using iView ...

Neil


Title: Re: Phase One buys Expression Media - updated
Post by: roberte on July 01, 2010, 04:39:54 PM
Hi Neil,

This Phase One/Expression Media Best Practice PDF may help:

http://www.phaseone.com/Apsis/Phase-One-Best-Practice.pdf

Capture One does have a "different" method of working. For example, in LR you can selectively import and edit just a few images spanned over different folders. Capture One uses Albums to achieve a similar workflow. Otherwise Capture One works like a file browser showing every image in a folder, one folder at a time. The same as Adobe Bridge + ACR.

The latest Capture One 5.1.2 release makes it easier to roundtrip images with Expression Media. According to the PDF linked above Expression Media Sets and Capture One Albums talk to one another.


-- Robert.


Title: Re: Phase One buys Expression Media - updated
Post by: R. Neil Haugen on July 02, 2010, 04:53:15 PM
Thanks, Robert ... downloaded the file and will read it right now ...

Neil


Title: Re: Phase One buys Expression Media - updated
Post by: Paul_S on July 03, 2010, 08:08:42 AM
If you import your images from your Card using EM2 then a seperate capture set will be made for each download and/or you can custom make Catalog Sets.

What this means is if you now send a image to CO5 from one of those sets it will add it to a CO5 Album with the same name in the library, this means you can just open the image you want in CO5 without having to import a complete folder of images into CO5's library.